Difference between revisions of "Template talk:Property setting"

Latest revision as of 15:35, 11 October 2012

To gather pages automatically there are many possibilities. What possibility is most suitable?

1. set «Class:Imported vocabulary “prefix”»
2. set «Class:Use title as class»
3. additional parameter in the template, |categories=cat1 (may have multiple categories)
4. additional parameter in the template, |category=cat (can have only one category)

--Andreas Plank 11:38, 25 September 2012 (CEST)

I added parameter “categories” --Andreas Plank 11:05, 28 September 2012 (CEST)

Parameter

“title”, “label”

Technically I use “title” to pass it on to all other formlink titles in the tool box. It is meant to be a general title, not like label. On page Property:dwc:year the title can be “Darwin Core Term” or “Darwin Core Vocabulary” but should not have a title “Year”, the Wiki title is already “dwc:year”. Does it make sense or do I use parameter “title” in a wrong sense? --Andreas Plank 12:33, 28 September 2012 (CEST)

When I see the input for Title on the "Property:dwc:year" page, I think of the title for that individual resource and not a general category such as "Darwin Core term". I am not sure what is meant by pass it on to other formlink titles...? --Dag Endresen 14:16, 28 September 2012 (CEST)

Maybe "heading" would be more appropriate instead of "title" --Andreas Plank 15:10, 9 October 2012 (CEST)

I believe much of the requirement, i.e. to provide context to a property, can best be fullfilled by retrieving the concepts schemes as defined in the concept template associated with the current property in the article namespace. The same applies to the label. I find it useful to retrieve this information and display it on the property page, but I would rather like not to duplicate any user-entered information in article versus property namespace. I would find it useful if this information (label, schemes) is shown BOTH in in template and form, and in the latter there is an edit-pencil symbol placed behind it, which automatically links to or creates the associated concept page in article namespace. Gregor Hagedorn 15:37, 11 October 2012 (CEST)

Simplify parameter

Some questions/proposals:

|has type=       → mandatory (one of SMW Special:Types)

Can text be made the default if missing? --Gregor Hagedorn 21:08, 6 October 2012 (CEST)

Form-default is "String", so should it be "has type=String" with some automated checking category?
Done (assumes "String" if not given). --Andreas Plank 10:08, 8 October 2012 (CEST)

|display units=  → used when “has type” is “Quantities” (, separated)
|corresponds to= → used when “has type” is “Quantities” (; separated)

why comma versus semicolon separated? Perhaps provide a link to the smw documentation to help readers understand the functionality. --Gregor Hagedorn 21:08, 6 October 2012 (CEST)

"corresponds to" can be e.g. "1 W, Watt, Watts; 0.001 kW" so ";" is needed --Andreas Plank 10:08, 8 October 2012 (CEST)

|title=          → optional (title, e.g. “Darwin Core term”)

Remove to reduce potential duplication with Template:Concept in the main article space? --Gregor Hagedorn 21:08, 6 October 2012 (CEST)

Yes could be removed to avoid confusion, but it would be nice to have some section to what a property page, e.g "Property:germplasm:BreedingEvent" or any other property belongs to. Really remove?
Or should it be called "heading"? --Andreas Plank 10:08, 8 October 2012 (CEST)

|label=          → optional (maps to property: rdfs:label)

Remove to reduce potential duplication with Template:Concept in the main article space? Can label be automatically be obtained from there? --Gregor Hagedorn 21:08, 6 October 2012 (CEST)

Can label be automatically be obtained from there? With #ask maybe. If it works, I remove parameter label.
Works with: {{#ask: [[{{PAGENAME}}]] |mainlabel=-|link=none|?skos:prefLabel#prefLabel= |+index=1 |format=list}} --Andreas Plank 10:08, 8 October 2012 (CEST)

If any label, shouldn’t it map to skos:prefLabel? --Andreas Plank 10:46, 8 October 2012 (CEST)

|imported from=  → optional (uses imported page by MediaWiki:Smw_import_local-ns-prefix, details see Help SMW import vocabulary)

Can we have a default here, that if nothing is said it is assumed that the page title is imported? --Gregor Hagedorn 21:08, 6 October 2012 (CEST)

We could assume an import if {{PAGENAME}} has a ":", e.g. "germplasm:BreedingEvent".
Done. --Andreas Plank 10:08, 8 October 2012 (CEST)

|categories=     → optional management categories (, separated list)

Remove to reduce potential duplication with Template:Concept in the main article space? --Gregor Hagedorn 21:08, 6 October 2012 (CEST)

So how can we collect then concepts together or separated? Do I have to create an #ask query for getting e.g. all dcterms? I vote against it. You can also use categories to categorize ordinary properties, not used as "concepts" for our terms Wiki. --Andreas Plank 10:08, 8 October 2012 (CEST)

a) It is always possible to add a manual category at the bottom of a page, i.e. outside of the template. This is good for internal/rare purposes. b) For normal purposes, adding categories to property-namespace bears a high managemnt cost of checking that they are ALL set correctly. I propose a similar solution to the label and scheme: a lookup of the scheme from the Concept template (article namespace) and assign any associated property to this category as well. --Gregor Hagedorn 16:35, 11 October 2012 (CEST)

Subproperty of

Remove from template, retrieve from concept template page (concept relation) using ask query to set the smw-property on the Property: page. --Gregor Hagedorn 16:35, 11 October 2012 (CEST)

As floating box

I propose to make the entire table box floating top right like an infobox and trying to make it appear less technical.

• Add the schemes (retrieved by ask query) first, scheme labels in bold.
• Reduce "Has type (SMW) : Text [Show] Hints for this type …" to "Has type : Text [more...]" with "Hints for this type …" and the SMW and type link from left as part of the expansion on more.

change the

• Change the left (non-floating) text from "Value has type: Text. This page defines basic settings needed for SMW. Page Special:Properties lists all available properties in this wiki." to "This page lists all occurrences of the property RETRIEVED LABEL IN BOLD within this platform."
• Move "Page Special:Properties lists all available properties in this wiki." to the editor tools.

--Gregor Hagedorn 16:35, 11 October 2012 (CEST)